MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. Blood red screen. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. We did have him for a little while, she said. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. They are selfless. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. You know? It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. It was made to tell a story and to capture forever the life of one man and the many people he touched. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Couldn't be her. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. ', KATE: He's so loved. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. It brings its own special brand of. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. They're like, `What do you mean?' But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. But their efforts to. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. So he came straight for me. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. If. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. substance to it. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. . And not just because its real. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' We need each other, have each other to get through this.". murderer in check. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. All rights reserved. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. I didn't have. Cpl. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. We. This documentary starts out like a love letter. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. They also went to Ottawa to push the case for Bill C-464, which had been introduced by then Liberal MP Scott Andrews, at a committee hearing. Or it's in the car. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Specific in nature? Click here for ticket information! Creating stronger communities. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. Zachary, how's our baby today? Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Shirley Turner had some startling news. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. But how? And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. It will make you question your faith in the world. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: -. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. I only live a block away.' MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Ad Choices. kind of panic sets in, I guess. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. I--we both did. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Complicating things further, she soon announced that she was pregnant with Bagbys child. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. Bill C-464 when enacted will justify detention in custody for a person accused of a serious crime who is a potential danger to their own minor children. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. And he'd be like(turns. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. January 28, 2008: Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. Instead, the films dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagbys parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their sons body. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. Dear Zachary was the most honored film at Cinequest 18 in San Jose, receiving sustained standing ovations from packed houses at all 3 screenings and winning 2 awards - a Special Jury Award for Documentary Feature and the Audience Award. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. And that was midafternoon. Click HERE for assistance. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. He said, `What do you mean?' Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. I had lovely family. I'm absolutely sure. -, "**** (Four stars). The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. Why? Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. DVD: Amazon | B&N December 4, 2008: SCREAMS. You dont get over it. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. I was just gone. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Keith Morrison reports. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Memorial University Medical School. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. I would really like for you and Kate. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. Lori Kaufman rw. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Click HERE for ticket information. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. August 5, 2008: She. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. December 10, 2007: Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Except, OK, sometimes not. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. He said, `The psychotic bitch. See rank. And so, on August 18, 2003, Shirley Jane Turner kills Zachary. the water. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. What kind of headfuck must that be? MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. "We had to do something.. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. They are warm. 2015 - 2020. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. June 2, 2015 - June 2020. Oh, my God. Right, right. Oh my god. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Mommy loves you. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. -, "A 10 out of 10. I mean, she. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. Screening next at DocuWeek, the International Documentary Association's Theatrical Documentary Showcase. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. I mean, the best man is really the groom. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. Zachary, I love you, baby. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. He was like, `Eh, mm.' I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. us around. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. You were done. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. The night was. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. The tragedy here is that even if you do see it coming, that still doesnt mean you can stop it.